Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 19, 2018 21:25 UTC (Thu) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129)
In reply to: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader by mjg59
Parent article: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

> You're still using an entirely arbitrary definition of sex here. If what you mean is "This person says they're a woman despite having XY chromosomes" then obviously yes you end up with a very binary concept of things because you're still ascribing meaning to chromosomal arrangement that doesn't exist.
So if you don't like to define sex via chromosomes, feel free to use any other reasonable definition of sex and my point will still stand: most trans people are biological males who identify as female or vice versa. The number of “non-binary” people is vanishingly small.

Anyway, I'm tired of this discussion, it's clearly not going anywhere, so have a good weekend.

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 19, 2018 21:31 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

> The number of “non-binary” people is vanishingly small.
The number of non-binary people outnumbers the number of software developers. Probably by an order of magnitude or so.

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 19, 2018 21:32 UTC (Thu) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link] (8 responses)

> most trans people are biological males who identify as female or vice versa.

You can't use the phrase "biological male" without defining it, and we've already established that your definitions are bad.

> The number of “non-binary” people is vanishingly small.

Citation strongly needed.

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 19, 2018 22:23 UTC (Thu) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (7 responses)

> You can't use the phrase "biological male" without defining it, and we've already established that your definitions are bad.
I already told you to feel free to use any other reasonable definition. The fact that you ignore this suggests to me that you're not arguing in good faith, hence there's no point in having this discussion. Have a nice weekend.

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 19, 2018 22:29 UTC (Thu) by jake (editor, #205) [Link]

> hence there's no point in having this discussion. Have a nice weekend.

It seems to me that we have strayed pretty far from the topic at hand. Maybe we could all just drop this discussion at this point, at least here. From what I've seen, no minds are likely to be changed if it were to continue.

I do concur with the "Have a nice weekend" sentiment, however ...

thanks,

jake

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 19, 2018 22:31 UTC (Thu) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link] (1 responses)

> I already told you to feel free to use any other reasonable definition.

There is no reasonable definition of "biological sex". That's the point.

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 20, 2018 8:12 UTC (Fri) by paxillus (guest, #79451) [Link]

What is sexual reproduction?

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 19, 2018 22:31 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link] (3 responses)

> I already told you to feel free to use any other reasonable definition.
How about "self-identifies as a male"?

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 20, 2018 8:15 UTC (Fri) by paxillus (guest, #79451) [Link]

Which means that the self-identifier is using some notion of what it is to be male (a classification) in order to identify with/as it?

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

Posted Jul 20, 2018 13:00 UTC (Fri) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link] (1 responses)

If you equate "male" with "self-identifies as a male" (ditto for female) then by definition there are no trans people, which I'm afraid isn't particularly helpful either.

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader [From a campaigning T shirt: Some people are trans - get over it ]

Posted Jul 20, 2018 13:14 UTC (Fri) by amacater (subscriber, #790) [Link]

One of the editors has already requested that this thread cease. Biological/social/understood/felt gender varies and there are differences of opinion. Now can we get back to technical usefulness?